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[Isi Runasimi]

I hate the candidates for President! I'm not an Obama fan and I'm not a McCain fan either. I'm just so sick of all this Presidential bullshit! People are going around and saying that Obama will ban firearms while Obama's campaign goes after all of McCain's houses on the radio.

T_T

[Lady Thorn]

You guys only have a two party system, right? That sucks. But all the presidential bleh is what politics is all about. You'll get used to it eventually. That or give up caring. Or become a politician. That could work too, lol.

[The Janitor]

Aug 27, 2008 14:06:38 GMT -5 Lady Thorn said:

You guys only have a two party system, right?

Um no. There are a large number of other political parties. Only the Democratic and Republican parties are the biggest. One thing they agree 100% on is not giving up their strangle hold on the election process. That and very few people vote for the fringe parties. Libertarian party might have a chance one day if they'd get their sh*t together and stop worrying about purging their ranks of the ideologically "impure".

As for the McCain-Obama struggle you describe. The gunnie vote is an important vote for canidates and Obama stinks on that issue so McCain's group is going to hammer him on it. Majority of socialists-communists Democrats love stirring people up with envy of wealth class division thing. So that's not surprising that they'd try to pound McCain with "How many houses do you own? Why are your wife's tax records kept private?" Since the average American doesn't know nor is willing to find out that the only reason McCain is that far up on the economic ladder is his wife. Which I can honestly say I wouldn't mind having her as a first lady. Easily explained too.

[Isi Runasimi]

Me live the life of a politician? Nah, I couldn't stomach that. I'm not really got at on the spot things. I've pretty much ignored all TV but I managed to catch some commercials while watching the Olympics. Anyways -- The Janitor is well informed, as always. They're both being childish babies, I haven't heard anything about anyone's issues O__O, yes, not a thing, and am pretty damned lazy to actually find out for myself. I don't trust their own personal websites.

[The Janitor]

I'm sure the political process would actually be interesting if it were more like Pirates of The Caribbean. Who wouldn't want to see them all yelling and fighting?

Also. That's what reliable third party sites are for. Although rule of thumb is that both are liars/idiots/jackasses. Depending on which way you sway one might not be 1/2/3 or slightly less of one than the other guy.

P.S. I'm wouldn't doubt Mr. Obama would try to take some of my guns if given the chance. However the only way he's getting one is if gets down on his knees and polishes my knob. Even then the only gun it will be is a cheap used $75 Hi-Point pistol.

[Isi Runasimi]

Oh yes, quite interesting! -lol's to self-

[nyshia]

I would gladly give mister Obama 'Silvertongue' my gun....the barrel in his mouth and the bullet going down the shaft into his brain. =D

Basically, I hate politics, I hate talking politics and I know you can't trust any of them, but I do my research when it all starts and occaisionally do some more as it gets closer. I've found that Obama contradicts himself quite a bit and supports abortion...this bothers me, and I kinda like the idea of having a POW as a president and one who ISN'T going to remove my guns so I can still protect myself and hunt the venison I eat in replacement of hamburger meat. So thus, I am voting for McCain...trust me, he wasn't my first choice. I wanted Romney, but we may be in luck, he seems to be a likely candidate for the McCain VP position.

I do agree though...I hate hearing all the political blah-blah-blahbitty-fricken-blah everywhere. Just put the info where it can be found and all and I'll do my part. However, I can understand all the ads and stuff because the younger generations aren't showing signs of wishing to participate in the vote and the ones that do are usually like, "OH, he's hott, I'll vote for him!' I shall shoot the next person I hear say that.

Anyways, thats my lil rant on that subject.

[The Janitor]

Aug 27, 2008 23:34:45 GMT -5 @nyshia said:

However, I can understand all the ads and stuff because the younger generations aren't showing signs of wishing to participate in the vote

They never do. Usually spend the time on election day to shop, get high, "wrestle", study, etc. Most of the ones who say they will vote usually do the same. For me voting is done first. Everything else in the day comes second.

[Lady Thorn]

Every generation says "the younger generation aren't interested"... by the time this current younger generation are thirty, they'll probably be saying the same thing. Politics is normally the domain of the old. Not exclusively, by any means, but generally speaking.

"I've found that Obama contradicts himself quite a bit"

So do all politicians (and the Bible, for that matter).

"I kinda like the idea of having a POW as a president"
How is that any better than "OH, he's hott, I'll vote for him!"... surely the only way to vote is based on policies not other arbitrary factors.

I am aware that my knowledge of US politics is a bit lacking and all... so excuse me if I say anything daft.

If you do have third parties, how come they never figure in the votes? If the two leaders are so unpopular, or they seem to be anyhoo, why not vote for a different party?

[nyshia]

"I kinda like the idea of having a POW as a president"
How is that any better than "OH, he's hott, I'll vote for him!"... surely the only way to vote is based on policies not other arbitrary factors.

That is NOT why I'm choosing him, its just a plus. I also brought it up because Obama had a good laugh becaus McCain couldn't rais his arms above his shoulders. At first, I thought that was a rumor and disregarded it until Obama went on tv and appologized. lol.

No, the reason I am voting for McCain is that many of the ways he says, not that we can believe politicians and keep them to their word, but what he says really agrees with me and I can only hope that he'll atleast do a few of the things he's said he would do.

Our nation's future security and prosperity depends on the next President making the hard choices that will break our nation's strategic dependence on foreign sources of energy and will ensure our economic prosperity by meeting tomorrow's demands for a clean portfolio. John McCain has made the necessary choices - producing more power, pushing technology to help free our transportation sector from its use of foreign oil, cleaning up our air and addressing climate change, and ensuring that Americans have dependable energy sources. John McCain will lead the effort to develop advanced transportation technologies and alternative fuels to promote energy independence and cut off the flow of oil wealth to repressive dictatorships like Iran.

I read the lexington plan, I like it, one of the reasons I am voting for this man.

I could go on about how McCain is my vote and why and things like that, but I really feel its just something that will be ignored and there's really no point to give you my views. Voters need to go out and do their research themselves and make their own choice.

If you do have third parties, how come they never figure in the votes? If the two leaders are so unpopular, or they seem to be anyhoo, why not vote for a different party?

The neutral or other affiliated parties are not as well advertised as the two main parties, they also tend to bicker amonst themselves rather than getting votes. They do show up on the ballots sometimes when there's one who is properly funded, but to my knowledge, the one third party man who stepped up, has gone from the race. And also, usually, third-parties don't usually get to be president. The last president who was of a party other than republican or democrat was of the whig party from waaaaay back when, the president known as Millard Fillmore from the years 1850 to 1853.

The common belief amongst most americans is that all a third-party candidate does is take a few votes away from the other two parties. They usually don't even make much of a dent in the running. It sucks, but thats how it is.

[The Janitor]

Aug 28, 2008 17:12:54 GMT -5 @nyshia said:

The neutral or other affiliated parties are not as well advertised as the two main parties, they also tend to bicker amonst themselves rather than getting votes. They do show up on the ballots sometimes when there's one who is properly funded, but to my knowledge, the one third party man who stepped up, has gone from the race.

And also, usually, third-parties don't usually get to be president. The last president who was of a party other than republican or democrat was of the whig party from waaaaay back when, the president known as Millard Fillmore from the years 1850 to 1853.

The common belief amongst most americans is that all a third-party candidate does is take a few votes away from the other two parties. They usually don't even make much of a dent in the running. It sucks, but thats how it is.

That about sums it up.

I think the Whig party was actually pretty big back in the day. Sometime during/after that time period the Republican party emerged as a third party. Only reason they made it was because of Whigs and Democrats defecting because they were pissed off over the expansion of slavery thing.

That's actually truth. Take Nader for example.