New Suggested way to pick leaders

[Urjasz Volkova]

I like the idea of a neutral person reffing the fights, I like the whole idea really, as do quite a few of you, I just don't get why something that would bring a bit of organisation to the site is a bad idea in the staff's eyes. People would get quite a bit of muse from the whole thing, and people would get a renewed interest in their characters. Seriously, I want to see a valid reason for why this would not work, for people are showing a clear interest in the idea.

[Lady Thorn]

Because the staff are the ones who'd have to do all the work involved.

Also, staff are members too. Not all the members have spoken for it. Two are against: myself and Amethyst. I object to any sort of site plot suggested, regardless of what it is. If there ever were to be one, I would ignore it. Besides, I don't like the idea of some members being classed as being in any way in charge of others, specifically me. Obviously not everyone would be forced to play along, but bleh.

3) No one follows the current system, you're right, but that's exactly why we put forward this new one

No one follows the current system because, after an initial "ooh this is fun", they get bored and carry back on with their own plots.

[devildriver]

I don't believe it should have a central plot for the site as a whole, but should have something to direct the plot. There are tons of sites who have done a damn good job at having a free plot but giving some kind of direction so people have something to participate in if they want to. If they don't want to participate in the Hoards, Dens, Clans, than thats fine as well. Every one is entitled to do what they want. And it would not be the staff doing everything.

No offense to you or Amethyst, but its the members who came up with the Idea, so I would leave it to them to plan out and put into action leaving you little to no responsibility in the role. I also thought that the staff would be a little happier to see people more interested in trying to make the site a little more interesting since no one wanted to before. *Shrugs* Just my opinion

[Urjasz Volkova]

Well has to be said then, that the staff are sometimes pretty lazy, and that's something I've heard many members say (to me), I mean I have two characters waiting for the ok now (Granted Donovan requires staff vote, but still, been nearly two weeks now, and all three of the main staff have been online). I'm getting fed up of having to wait around for the ok, when my muse for the two characters is buzzing. Plus, I'll add this system was suggested because people are fed up of the current one, where whoever gets there first is the leader and self proclaims themselves to be number one. It's little wonder no one ever dares help the site, for their ideas are constantly turned down, for it's "too much effort for the staff".

Well that's your damn jobs, which you applied for. Regardless of that, it's still two members vs the rest, so even in your own words, you're the minority.

[Urjasz Volkova]

I would be more than happy to help organise the structure of leaders etc, like Straker said, members could do it. Just thought I'd be polite and at least ask the staff first. Still, I'm sorry for actually showing an interest in the site. God forbid anyone else does.

[The Janitor]

Nov 21, 2008 9:25:15 GMT -5 Urjasz Volkova said:

Well that's your damn jobs, which you applied for.

Regardless of that, it's still two members vs the rest, so even in your own words, you're the minority.

Nothing was in the job description about organizing a plot for the site or a system for leaders. So it isn't their job.

Currenly it's three members vs. the rest. Doesn't matter though because you seem to be forgetting one very very very very important thing about SI. This isn't a democracy. Woo.... That was hard to say without launching one massive rant that would more than likely go waaaaaay off topic.

Nov 21, 2008 9:25:15 GMT -5 Urjasz Volkova said:

Seriously, I want to see a valid reason for why this would not work, for people are showing a clear interest in the idea.

LT just provided valid reasons as to why it wouldn't work. Answer you get might not be one you like, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Which brings me to this post:

Nov 21, 2008 9:23:50 GMT -5 @devildriver said:

its the members who came up with the Idea, so I would leave it to them to plan out and put into action

They can do that right now without any changes to the site and/or co-operation from staff members.

[Lord Xavier]

*strolls in, throws himself down on the sofa and thinks* I've seen this sort of thing strike up on the old site, with the competition for Alpha-Male fought between Rome and some other distantly vague character. Members gradually grew tired of posting and some left the site all together, such things come to dust even with dedication backed by their "muse". By all means go ahead with this, I say as a member, if it manages to make it past this sluggish stage.

But I'll be damned if I sit here and allow double-posting to ensue without punishment; "When Narcisuss began to smoke his pipe, and the polling booth was welter and waste and darkness over the deep and Narcissus's foggish breath hovering over the faecitical comments, Narcissus said, 'Let there be good.' and there was not. No. There was utter bollocks."

I'm washing my hands off this ladies and gentlemen. Washing my hands in what? I'm not quite sure. But either way *presses his fingers together* I'll just wallow in my own bitterness fuelled by this farce.

[rowan kestrel amber]

Okay, Darklycan I understand how upset you are about this matter, but you calling us lazy and then double posting means that your too lazy to modfiy your post. And as in charge of the site until Isi can get her computer fixed I don't want to feel like the bad guy. But I don't like being bitched at on how staff members don't get things done. We have a lot of things to do. We have lives. You may not. But some of us do. So it would help if you could be calm and patience and not bitch at us and actually listen to the staff. It would be most helpful. Because like Lady Thorn has said we have to be in charge of taking these ideas into action.

And the plot is just gonna die soon anyways. People lose interest and go on to making their own little plots and fill those out. So there. End of story. Are we clear now?

[Lord Xavier]

I say 'Let fingers be burned' and that the staff (who are not real members, of course) should deviate from this, let the real members of the site - real members, proper, prim members, authentic, real members - organise this as they wish, when it festers and disappears then we, - the fake members, the forgeries - the staff, can send the singed remnants into the bowels of the Cemetery. This way we can apply our time to denying applications.

[Samael]

I have skimmed what has been said but there shouldn't be a plot. Every one forms there own plot, a group of people wana rule New York. Go for it, every one makes there own plots, and other people look at there plots and wana mix there plots with theres and thats how we create are own fun and make our own plots. So we are not so dependent on the staff members.

I know a site that runs along a plot, it isn't a were,vampire,hunter site, but it is a site that runs close to a plot. It gets boring really quickly. Here is the events, here is the big plot, and then here is the down time cause we need to think up the new events and new plot. I am against it, I agree with the admins 100 percent. And I am not being a suck up.

I am talking from personal experience since I have ran several sites myself, moded sites myself, and have helped with admin and mod on a site with more than 200+ members.

[ladyvelvette]

Yeah, seriously...

Please, all of you, do not hate me for this. I have to side with the staff on this one. It is unethical. First, some of us 'real members', as Sire Freeman puts it, aren't here that often because, like the 'staff/forgeries', we have lives and we have things that we want to do and have to do other than sit at the computer all day or night, what have you, and type it out.

Secondly, a couple of you have already pointed out that there are some role-players that would sooner god-mod before they let their characters go belly up. I, for one, have no problem playing and losing a battle or two. I think it's fun and adds more to the actual rp.

Third, loves: My characters are not ruled by anyone. For instance, I have characters that have their own internal plot and that is why there are times some folks will rp with me and find there is more than one character being played by me in a thread. I think it's entertaining and different. I don't think their should be an alpha male or female for any species. I mean, what happens if you win and you're not around? What then? You expect people to wait on you until you get back or simply remember? I'm afraid not, children.

And lastly, darling-dears, could you all really find the time since about half of us are in the UK?! A good percentage of us works and goes to school--and, to make it harder, like our beloved dwellers of the UK, they ARE in different time zones.

Now, to the staff, I do apologize if I have ever given you a hard time. But know that you have my support on this one when you say "no." I could always be like you guys and simply stand back, enjoying a cup of lightly sweetened Earl Grey and log on every day just to watch you, who are in favor of this battle for dominance, hash it out. But, should anyone want to rp without the silly dominance issue and just have fun, do let me know.

Best of luck to you all.

[devildriver]

See this is why the site can not do any better than it has been. Any time some body says something another person does not like they get childish about it. There is no need to be rude to anyone at all. Manners are not just for the phone, or meeting face to face. There is no reason to get upset over others opinions, and I agree, Lycans should have chose his wording first. One thing I dislike more than anything else is people being rude, its like children stomping their feet cuz they do not get what they want. Just grow up, act like an adult or young adult to the best of your ability. There is no reason to call the Staff lazy, and don't do their job, and their is no reason to get overly defensive or get offended because of something some one said. Seriously people need to grow up.

Like I said, let the members who came up with the Idea do the grunt work and then all the staff has to do is put up a little thread. That way it quenches everyones need for everything and every person is hunky dorey.

[Urjasz Volkova]

Wow I must say (and should I regret this, I have just come back from the pub), that it's funny how everyone suddenly jumps on the bangwaggon now the staff have had their say. To Scarlette's post, it was never mentioned as plot, only a system and the added fact that I'm English as well (in regards to the timezone thing). And in response to the double posting, that is an error on my side, I wasn't exactly thinking straight. However, I won't just roll over and pretend that it's all my fault. Since I've joined this site I've been lectured and told off countless times. Yet all the time I see other members (and I won't say names because I'm no snitch) breaking rules all the time. And I do lead a life, I just happen to enjoy writing, god forbid it, and this whole roleplay thing to these set rules was a new thing for me to try, and i'm so sorry for actually giving it a good damn shot, because these days it's wrong to actually give a shit about something you put effort in. I will say it again, purely because some people don't actually catch on, but I offered the system instead of the current leader system, which it seems some people don't even realise exists. I'm not going to be the one to back down, because I fed up of people (and this isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just generally) taking shit because they fear the consequences. Well that way of life has lead to the world going belly up, half of it in a damn recession now. If I have a problem about something, I will say it, I will not be a damn lapdog who's afraid to say his mind, not a damn yes man.

Oh, and I'll finish with the fact this thread was started because members showed an interest. Sorry for actually giving a shit about what they liked.

[Lady Thorn]

Straker - I object as a member not as staff. I will not have someone elected or fought and made in charge of my characters. They can smeg off, on that one.

DarkLycan -

Point one, as Janitor says, it's not a democracy.

Point two, to be frank, you're being an arse. Please shut up. You got in trouble. Oh noes! So have I in the past. 80% Warning level on the old site, thank-you. No need to be bitter about it all.

Point three:

Well has to be said then, that the staff are sometimes pretty lazy

This is a foolish thing to say to try to get people to approve your idea. And yes, I am currently not all that active. I'm sorry if any time I spend on the site is employed skimming threads to check for short posts and in the Debate Room (funnily enough, of which I am moderator) and occasionally approving adverts and posting my opinion on Ancient/Master applications. But of course, I must be very lazy, because none of this is visible. Damn. How silly of me. I must rectify the situation and abandon my work for university (which isn't important compared to rp... nooooo...) and my seeing real, real-life friends. Pah. We're not lazy, we just don't do things all that visibly. And perhaps if approval takes a long time on special applications, it's because we're discussing it... did we think of this? Apparently not.

Oh well, never mind. This lazy person is now going to give up on her language work and sleep, so she can be up nice and early to log on to the site. Or not. I do my bit. I'd rather you didn't insult me.

Yes, I have been rude back to you. This is because you have vexed me somewhat, and I will happily get myself a warning level for my apparent childishness and calling you an arse. It's worth it, believe me.

[Urjasz Volkova]

I don't give damn about if you're rude to me back, I'd rather that than the fake polite responses, and I'll say this purely so others can see (taken from msn conversation), that no one is bullet proof in my eyes, myself included