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Post by Lady Thorn on Sept 25, 2008 17:39:19 GMT -5
Something to start us off:
After a long cbox discussion about many things, and the thread in the general board, I figured I'd start it all off with a bit about Paolini and his trilogy.
Do you think it is wrong that he should use the ideas of other published authors/films in his books, or do you think that, since so much modern literature is based on older literature anyway, there is nothing wrong with it and we should all stop our whining?
Personally, I find, in this particular instance, that it has gone too far. Of course there will always be an influence of other works in any literature, but the degree to which one can see both Star Wars and Lord of the Rings in the Inheritance Trilogy pushes the line a bit too far. His plot has reached the point where small actions are easily predictable before you read them, simply on the basis of it following Star Wars. After all, who didn't predict the whole "Luke Eragon, I am your father..." business? So it is my opinion that he should either share his earnings from these novels with the heirs of Tolkien and whoever earns money from Star Wars. Not because they need the money, but because he is profiting from their work, and so they should receive recompense appropriately.
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Post by mscrow on Sept 25, 2008 19:32:02 GMT -5
Agreed.
Honestly, every child who’s read the Rings and has any imagination at all (fan-fic writers) has been inspired by it. Rings almost set the standard for fantasy! However, there is a line to be drawn. I find horrible fan-fiction to be one of two things: so off the wall that it ruins the original. Or a complete rip-off.
I wouldn’t even classify Inheritance to be a fan-fiction, it’s more of a rip-off with new names. It’s a cross-over with new names. And not appropriate for him to be making money off of it. let alone movies. It’s like people asking for payment on FF.N.
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Post by The Janitor on Sept 25, 2008 19:32:40 GMT -5
Just a few questions. If it is an exact rip off of Star Wars:
Who are the ewoks (dwarves?)?
Who are the wookies?
Would Eragon's cousin be Han Solo?
If Arya is Leia does that mean Eragon's banging his sister?
(Wipes orange juice off keyboard and monitor. Then leaves.)
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Post by Lady Thorn on Sept 25, 2008 19:48:33 GMT -5
Off the wall generally being such things as Gollum/Treebeard Romance ficlets... which are just wrong... So he shouldn't make money for fanfiction? I wouldn't go that far. I mean, I understand that he had to put work in and so forth to create it, so surely he deserves a little recompense for that? Sure, it wasn't as much work as proper authors, many of whom do not reach such fame, simply because their work borders on originality (though of course nothing is truly original). I just think he should be forced to cut the owners of the rights to Star Wars and LOTR in to his profits, as they have as much right to them as he does. Then again, I wouldn't say that true fanfiction should earn money. I certainly wouldn't pay for much of what is found on ff.net. I certainly wouldn't pay money for >>this<<. I suppose you're right, that it isn't fanfiction, per se. He keeps the story the same, which is where most fan-authors display their own originality (this being for Star Wars, not LOTR). All in all, I'd still pay him, but not as much as I'm sure he earns. It's been a long time since I watched Star Wars or read Eragon... Han Solo would be wossname... the guy with the funny name... Murtagh? I think I mean him. Or maybe not, since he turns out to be Galbatorix's kid too. Hmm. I shall have to attack wikipedia for some greater knowledge of them, since I cannot be bothered to read the books again. |
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Post by mscrow on Sept 25, 2008 19:57:14 GMT -5
If it is an exact rip off of Star Wars It’s not completely based of Star Wars, since it has Rings in it also. We’re just saying that there is a lot of it. Like my cross-over statement. There is a lot from both series, and therefore, not an exact. However, the dwarves would be the ewoks, the wookies probably the elves, and Luke’s cousin was not Hon Solo. The girl would be Hon, the ruler of the mountain thing. Don’t remember her name. As for Leia, it’s not unheard of. Aragorn marries Arewen, who actually is his cousin and adoptive sister. |
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Post by The Janitor on Sept 25, 2008 19:59:55 GMT -5
Off the wall generally being such things as Gollum/Treebeard Romance ficlets... which are just wrong... It's been a long time since I watched Star Wars or read Eragon... Han Solo would be wossname... the guy with the funny name... Murtagh? I think I mean him. Or maybe not, since he turns out to be Galbatorix's kid too. Hmm. I shall have to attack wikipedia for some greater knowledge of them, since I cannot be bothered to read the books again. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I hate slash.... Am scarred for life due to a little something that was supposed to be Resident Evil 4. "Cool! Luis survived! Strange.... Well I'm sure Leon would be happy to see him.... Getting weird now.... Weirder..... What the f***!?!" I thought that evil rider dude Brom killed was their father.... Elves being wookies. Love it! I guess that witch chick would be C3P0. |
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Post by Lady Thorn on Sept 26, 2008 13:09:59 GMT -5
Arwen is a very distant cousin of Arwen though... he's Elrond's twin brother's descendant... by a long way. There are all those kings of Gondor and chieftains of the Dúnedain between Arwen and Aragorn...
Might be. I forget. *checks wiki*
... ok, worryingly, that lists Brom as Eragon's father. What the smeg have I missed?
Anyway. Is crossover worse than just a rip-off? I suppose it must be, since he's thieved the work of two creators... Hmm. But I think the worst bit is that someone agreed to publish it... Why on earth would a publisher do that when the plagiarism is so blatant? It's silly. Surely they'd worry about being sued... wouldn't they? I don't know much about publishing yet, so I may be misinformed about what they'd do.
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Post by The Janitor on Sept 26, 2008 17:17:08 GMT -5
Surely they'd worry about being sued... wouldn't they? I don't know much about publishing yet, so I may be misinformed about what they'd do. I don't know anything. However I don't think they're worried about getting sued since one would have to press the issue and prove it. So far "no none" has pressed the issue and I'm pretty sure "no one" can prove it in court. However I'm no lawyer and that is just my rambling. |
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Post by Lady Thorn on Sept 28, 2008 10:22:04 GMT -5
I suppose it would be very hard to prove. But if they have software capable of analysing coursework to tell if it's been plagiarised, surely there'd be something similar for novels? Bleh... too much faith in the system I suppose. Worst thing is, I know I'm going to buy the third book anyway, even though I know broadly what will happen. I ought to boycott him in my own small way by not buying the book... but I want to see if I'm right. Suckage.
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Post by The Janitor on Sept 28, 2008 11:42:35 GMT -5
I suppose it would be very hard to prove. But if they have software capable of analysing coursework to tell if it's been plagiarised, surely there'd be something similar for novels? Bleh... too much faith in the system I suppose. Worst thing is, I know I'm going to buy the third book anyway, even though I know broadly what will happen. I ought to boycott him in my own small way by not buying the book... but I want to see if I'm right. Suckage. If you're smart enough to come up with that solution then it's wise to assume a whole lot of other smart people have thought of it as well only to come to the conclusion that it wouldn't work. However like I said before I'm no lawyer, and I don't play one on TV (yet). Do what I do. Try to get it for free or less than a dollar. |
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Post by Lady Thorn on Sept 28, 2008 11:57:45 GMT -5
Or they came to the conclusion that it was too expensive to be viable, which is, I suspect, more likely. From what I know of the software, it's quite tricky stuff, which is why it only gets used to check high-level stuff like university dissertations, rather than A-levels and GCSEs. Or perhaps no one but obsessive fans like myself give enough of a damn to do it. Everyone else is happy to let the plagiarism slide.
There is no way I could get that book for 50p ($1) or less... I sincerely doubt I could get it for less than £2.86...
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Post by The Janitor on Sept 28, 2008 17:46:13 GMT -5
Or they came to the conclusion that it was too expensive to be viable, which is, I suspect, more likely. There is no way I could get that book for 50p ($1) or less... I sincerely doubt I could get it for less than £2.86... Always possible... I guess books never depreciate in value over there.... |
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Post by raspberry on Sept 29, 2008 20:21:43 GMT -5
May I say that he did have plenty of his own work in there. Because in Brisingr it has Eragon forced to help one of the elves who makes Dragon Rider swords forge his own sword. We didn't have that in LOTR or Star Wars. So you can't take blame for him stealing other ideas. Yes he may have stole small ideas here and there, but they aren't major now are they? |
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Post by The Janitor on Oct 3, 2008 20:02:48 GMT -5
May I say that he did have plenty of his own work in there. Care to name more than just making a sword which may have a slight resembleance to Narsil/Anduril? Curious LT. Doesn't Mr. What'sHisFace have parents that are in the publishing biz? |
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Post by mscrow on Oct 4, 2008 0:35:35 GMT -5
Agreed. It wasn’t small. Names, events, they are rather large. And elves forging a sword, that does ring like Narsil. And I would count that as major. Yes, every idea has been done at least once, none of them are original anymore. But I think the blatant stealing of a name and only changing how it’s spelled is something huge! It’s not a common name like Harry or Joe, it’s an original name, one that was made up. And it was practically stolen.
I refuse to pronounce the guy’s name correctly. It’s way too alike for my liking.
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