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Post by andrew on Oct 15, 2008 17:14:17 GMT -5
Anyone saw this movie? I did twice.  the second time was with Isi, and the first time was the day after it came out. I WON'T give away any spoilers (sorry) but all I can say is Heath's performance was...oh my gosh. It was something totally different and its as if that wasn't Heath. Now I know there would be some people who would think its not a good movie but I think it was. I wish he was alive though... |
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Post by Isi Runasimi on Oct 16, 2008 17:42:10 GMT -5
It was an excellent movie. I loved the beginning. There is nothing bad I can say to this movie, it beat its predecessor of the first movie which was incredibly boring. 5/5.
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Post by sbs on Oct 17, 2008 10:24:26 GMT -5
Oh deffinately a 5/5. It was funny, Dark, and Sadistic all at the same time lol. I loved it, Heath Ledgar deffinatley was a great choice. I still wonder who their going to get to play the penguin(sp?) for the next one.
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Post by Isi Runasimi on Oct 17, 2008 10:34:13 GMT -5
The Penguin is going to be in the next one? I wonder when they'll bring in: Poison Ivy, Cat Woman, and Two Face. . . Anyhow Isi to play Poison Ivy ftw. xD
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Post by sbs on Oct 17, 2008 10:37:46 GMT -5
lol. I just want a phone call. -I only saw the movie once and I can resite his lines, that just prooves how well of a movie it was.
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Post by Lady Thorn on Oct 17, 2008 10:42:28 GMT -5
I liked the film a lot, but I have one issue with it. I read the comics as a kid, I watched the cartoons, the old tv series, watched the old films, and marvellously psychotic though Mr. Ledger was as the Joker, he wasn't the Joker. Oh yes, he had a painted face and left a joker card... but what happened to the whole Joker persona? I don't know. It was not there. There was just a psychopath in facepaint. And much though he played a brilliant psychopath, he wasn't the Joker. Batman, and all comic style stories, are deliberately over the top and... well... comic-esque. Larger than life. Hyperbolic. When one takes on a persona, one fills it and does everything according to that persona, and the Joker just wasn't right. That, and the end seemed to be glued on. There was a point at which the film naturally could have ended, well before it actually did.
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Post by sbs on Oct 17, 2008 10:48:31 GMT -5
That is true, However I must say you can't compair much with the tv show that had Adam West in it becuase it was actually intending to change a dark comic-book into a more kid friendly superhero franchise. They had a nice batmobile though lol...
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Post by Isi Runasimi on Oct 17, 2008 10:51:54 GMT -5
Never read any batman comics so maybe one of you can answer my question. I kept trying to figure out the Jokers history, does anyone know it? I assume much so or at least I think I do, that he cut his own face or whatever and all the stories he said about his family history are made up. Anyone know?
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Post by sbs on Oct 17, 2008 11:47:48 GMT -5
The original story is that he was an isane murderer that was running from the cops and fell into toxic waste, he survived but he was so f-ed up that her wore face paint and such. I think that right...
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Post by andrew on Oct 17, 2008 11:49:21 GMT -5
Noppers, I know in the first batman movie, they had him be the joker because of the accident. I don't know but I agree about the joker really, but the point was Heath wanted to make the Joker his own Joker apart from any Joker there was before him and I think his was the best. The other Jokers were keen on just pranks and stuff like that but what Heath did was take the Joker and run with it. He created a much different version but I wish they would have had ended the movie with just him as the ending (like take Two Face's part before it). Heck I wished THIS was the first film instead! I think it was way better than of the other one and you have to admit, its wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than of Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever.
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Post by Lady Thorn on Oct 17, 2008 12:16:12 GMT -5
Yes, but Tia, "making the character his own" is stupid! The character is the character... and the whole point of acting is to act the role. And however good he was, Heath could never be better than the other Jokers, because he wasn't the Joker... he was just a nutter in facepaint. The tricks and pranks are part of the Joker persona which Mr. Ledger missed out. Well... I suspect it wasn't his fault. Script-writers, I expect. None of them can write worth a damn these days anyway, so I shouldn't be surprised such a classic character should be so badly underplayed. But anyway, the over the top, prankish, silly, hyperbolic Jokers of the past are like that because that is what the character is... and it's a damn annoying shame that the modern trend is to ignore the source material and make things up when films are screen-written.
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Post by Isi Runasimi on Oct 17, 2008 18:12:14 GMT -5
The original story is that he was an isane murderer that was running from the cops and fell into toxic waste, he survived but he was so f-ed up that her wore face paint and such. I think that right... That's all? Oh well, the world or Isi will never know what caused him to be an insane murderer. |
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Post by aiden on Oct 18, 2008 0:56:15 GMT -5
The Joker is a fictional character appearing in comic books published by DC Comics. Debuting in Batman #1 (Spring 1940), he was created by Bill Finger, Bob Kane and Jerry Robinson. An archenemy of the superhero Batman, the Joker is portrayed as a master criminal whose characterization has varied from a violent sociopath, who kills people and commits crimes for his own amusement, to a goofy and virtually harmless trickster-thief. He has also been directly responsible for numerous tragedies in Batman's life; including, but not limited to, the paralysis of Barbara Gordon and the death of Jason Todd. The Joker's real identity is unknown. Throughout the character's long history, there have been several different origin tales; the most common theme depicts him as falling into a vat of chemical waste, which bleaches his skin and turns his hair green and his lips bright red, giving him the appearance of a macabre clown. The Joker has appeared in numerous Batman-related media including portrayals by Cesar Romero, Jack Nicholson, and Heath Ledger, and animated versions with voice actors Mark Hamill and Kevin Michael Richardson. Wizard Magazine's list of the 100 Greatest Villains of All Time ranked the Joker as #1. All from Wikipedia. Here's the url to the full page. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_venom#Powers_and_abilities |
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Post by aiden on Oct 18, 2008 1:03:25 GMT -5
Yes, but Tia, "making the character his own" is stupid! The character is the character... and the whole point of acting is to act the role. And however good he was, Heath could never be better than the other Jokers, because he wasn't the Joker... he was just a nutter in facepaint. The tricks and pranks are part of the Joker persona which Mr. Ledger missed out. Well... I suspect it wasn't his fault. Script-writers, I expect. None of them can write worth a damn these days anyway, so I shouldn't be surprised such a classic character should be so badly underplayed. But anyway, the over the top, prankish, silly, hyperbolic Jokers of the past are like that because that is what the character is... and it's a damn annoying shame that the modern trend is to ignore the source material and make things up when films are screen-written. In his initial dozen or so appearances, starting with Batman #1 (1940), the Joker was a straightforward mass murderer, with a bizarre appearance modeled after the symbol of the Joker known from playing cards. He was slated to be killed in his second appearance,[4] but editor Whitney Ellsworth suggested that the character be spared. A hastily drawn panel, demonstrating that the Joker was still alive, was subsequently added to the comic. [5] For the next several appearances, the Joker often escaped capture but suffered an apparent death (falling off a cliff, being caught in a burning building, etc.), from which his body was not recovered. In the 1950s and 1960s, following the imposition of the Comics Code Authority censorship board, the Joker shifted toward becoming a harmless, cackling nuisance. He disappeared from Batman stories almost entirely when Julius Schwartz took over editorship of the Batman comics in 1964. Directly from the Wikipedia page. The Joker ORIGINALLY was just a crazy murderous bastard. The censorship board made them change him to be the 'joking prankster' that you think he should be. |
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Post by andrew on Oct 18, 2008 11:37:59 GMT -5
see? There you go. |
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the second time was with Isi, and the first time was the day after it came out. I WON'T give away any spoilers (sorry) but all I can say is Heath's performance was...oh my gosh. It was something totally different and its as if that wasn't Heath. Now I know there would be some people who would think its not a good movie but I think it was. I wish he was alive though...
